E U. Should we stay or should we leave.

[big_cod]

After Moody's has now downgraded Britain with our financies. in tatters and the outlook with Britain leaving the Eu which financially for business is madness does it surprise no a final vote on the withdraw must happen on brexit because which ever party Tory of labour is in charge if this goes through will pay heavily for decades to come if brexit Goes wrong .

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-41369239

Edited September 23, 2017 by big_cod

[Sportsman]

After May's speech, it seems that a little reality is entering the conversation.

The hard Brexit is not going to happen. (It never was)

The UK will not walk away with no deal (It was never going to)

The UK will pay and do what they have to, to secure a deal. (They were always going to)

Who knew it would be so hard/ (Well, just about everyone)

It is time for the posturing to end and the serious talking to begin.

Get rid of the useless and stupid fools such as Davis and the benighted Boris and let some grown ups take over.

[barry luxton]

Smt, on 23 Sept 2017 - 00:24, said:

We have an *exceptionally* good deal with the EU. It has bent over backwards to accommodate the UK. We have a rebate, we are exempt from the Euro, Shengen agreement and much more. Plus we have a veto (i.e over Turkey joining, EU army etc). If we leave and reapply to join we will lose all that.

 

Democracy depends upon an informed, educated electorate. When we know what leaving the EU looks like and have had the two years the triggering of article 50 allows us to gain an understanding of the consequences then surely that is the best time to have a referendum? I.e once people know better than to believe lies like leaving means we'll have £350m a week to give to the NHS!

 

And sorry Barry. My last post was in response to Mr Huge Vitae but still, much of it was directed at you. :-)

 

 

ohh my gawed, good deal do you assume. Bent over backwards., do you believe that guff. according to some of your remainiac chums the u k does not have a rebate. Blair and brown started chipping away at whatever discount and in exchange for what? maggie won it, they were intent on giving it back. What for?

 

Rebate you say, how do you make that out when the u k contribution is second highest out of the club? What good is the euro? It is being propped up massively, keeping it high while hurting those it controls causing massive unemployment, e u countries in the duldrums with no hope of growth that in turn effects the amount of trade that the u k can export into the mainland.8 countries the u k mainly export to. The rest have no money and don't buy u k goods. Good for the u k this 'free market'? Drunker and co intend expanding the amount of countries into the block who also don't have any money, sits ok that the u k would have to have it's contributions increased?

 

Do you really think that drunker and co who will not give they u k any incentive what so ever, that the u k electorate will say yes please we really didn't wish to leave in the first place. Tell me about the cap and the cfp why are they so good for the u k your blinkering those pieces of legislation. Schengan although the u k is not in it, it's an abject fail why won't you concede that one? Best thing to happen in my book is for the u k to get fed up with the none cooperation from the mandarins and tell them to poke it. The e u countries wishing to trade with the u k will then have to do their own deals without the baggage, bring it on I say.

[barry luxton]

Smt, on 23 Sept 2017 - 08:39, said:

As our credit rating lowers the interest rates we pay for our *massive* national debt will rise. Couple this with reduced tax receipts due to financial sector relocating to mainline Europe and decimation of trade with the EU, and scary amounts of personal debt and it's as plain as the nose on your face that Brexit means substantially less money coming in and substantially more going out. Brexit will greatly increase the poverty of the already struggling (in the main the people who voted Leave), but of course not the right-wing billionaires who in the end manipulated the result of the referendum for their own ends.

 

show us the exodus of the financial sector, don't bother with could be might be show us some of these juicy facts. London is ahead of new York at the moment.

[barry luxton]

this help you:

 

https://fullfact.org/economy/deficit-down-two-thirds/

[chesters1]

As our credit rating lowers the interest rates we pay for our *massive* national debt will rise. Couple this with reduced tax receipts due to financial sector relocating to mainline Europe and decimation of trade with the EU, and scary amounts of personal debt and it's as plain as the nose on your face that Brexit means substantially less money coming in and substantially more going out. Brexit will greatly increase the poverty of the already struggling (in the main the people who voted Leave), but of course not the right-wing billionaires who in the end manipulated the result of the referendum for their own ends.

Have you a link showing the poor voted leave and the rich want to stay ?thats about 35 million boxes ticked rich or poor i will let you have the odd numbers for mistakes.

When havnt millionaires voted for their interests thats why they are millionairs you dont amass money making mistakes or backing the wrong horse just as many will vote for either side if its in their vested interests

 

Obviously the they sell more to us than we buy from them will effect the EU more than us will europe be happy throwing away the 90 billion they get from us? Will EU companies enjoy losing billions removing their factories from the uk? Will a couple of million more people going home to eke out a living (or live on benefits?) Be welcomed by eu countries ?

When it comes to deals we have the upper hand if the negotiators have balls but unfortunately we just have rich people serving rich companies with vested interests in the way .

I find it strange though those that remain still want to when they see the animals in the EU slagging us down ,threatening to punish us and take us to the cleaners ,impose their will through laws and they still think we are better off

Edited September 23, 2017 by chesters1

[barry luxton]

big_cod, on 23 Sept 2017 - 05:12, said:

After Moody's has now downgraded Britain with our financies. in tatters and the outlook with Britain leaving the Eu which financially for business is madness does it surprise no a final vote on the withdraw must happen on brexit because which ever party Tory of labour is in charge if this goes through will pay heavily for decades to come if brexit Goes wrong .

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-41369239

 

Yet more news that doesn't do you any service b c, tsk.

 

https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/pound-retreats-against-dollar-rejuvenated-073433370.html

[Phone]

barry,

 

You're playing games. London has returned to number one -100% on the shirt tails of fentech. Not conservative politics.

As for New York, it is barely number one in America.

Financial giants don't like uncertainty and both London (BREXIT) and New York (Trump) has created enough uncertainty that London lost 14 pts and NY 16 pts while maintaining their respective positions.

 

I wouldn't be too proud to be able to say "we're still ahead of New York".

 

Phone

PS - I liked May's remarks.

[barry luxton]

big_cod, on 23 Sept 2017 - 05:12, said:

After Moody's has now downgraded Britain with our financies. in tatters and the outlook with Britain leaving the Eu which financially for business is madness does it surprise no a final vote on the withdraw must happen on brexit because which ever party Tory of labour is in charge if this goes through will pay heavily for decades to come if brexit Goes wrong .

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-41369239

 

Totally agree that a final vote should be offered to the electorate, however to make the vote fair the question must be split into 3.

 

Remain in the e u and it's plans for more government, more countries joining however poor. More integration, including the europeon army what ever the cost and joining the euro. No top limits of the u k's conscription charges. Along with no guarantee the e u will amend their rubbish legislation namely the cfp, cap and schengan that they so covert.

 

number 2. Accept what deal the e u have decided as good for the u k when it leaves, including whatever the final bill will be, along with any caveats regarding a slow release from the federal state.

 

number 3. Leave with no crap deal. And no commitments, or payments into the euro black hole, following the decree nisi date.

[chesters1]

barry,

 

You're playing games. London has returned to number one -100% on the shirt tails of fentech. Not conservative politics.

As for New York, it is barely number one in America.

Financial giants don't like uncertainty and both London (BREXIT) and New York (Trump) has created enough uncertainty that London lost 14 pts and NY 16 pts while maintaining their respective positions.

 

I wouldn't be too proud to be able to say "we're still ahead of New York".

 

Phone

PS - I liked May's remarks.

So your having a brexit as well then? It seems to some the very word can destroy the world ,unfortunately we dont have a trump to blame but we have a clone in boris lol