On the road at 16.

[gozzer]

And while we're on the subject , why are there disabled bays at D.I.Y. stores? The whole concept of a DIY store is Do It YOURSELF. Now am i being silly here or is the general consensus of the idea being that you are involved in climbing steps , being in precarious positions under a bath / sink , climbing ladders , tinkering with wires in a loft and many many more. But you're disabled , so you can't DO IT YOURSELF , so why bother having the bays?

 

Merely an observation and solely MY opinion.

 

It's one of lifes mysteries Mr M.

There's a school near York, it caters for the needs of the blind. And do you know what? It has windows and electric lights!

Strange, or what?

 

John.

[chesters1]

It's one of lifes mysteries Mr M.

There's a school near York, it caters for the needs of the blind. And do you know what? It has windows and electric lights!

Strange, or what?

 

John.

now now even the blind should be able to waste electric leaving them on ,global warming is for all not just the sighted

[mr motorola]

i expect most disabled do work ,most are not in cots **** their pants you know ,without their cars and spaces a lot more would be at home.i get the impression you think its its easy money living on disabled benefits and all those perks they appear to get i can assure you it is not! well for the genuine disabled ,the "rest" probably work anyway on the side

EXACTAMUNDO. I do believe it's easy money living. I'll hold my hands up and be brave enough to say it. I may also add that i see behind closed doors of quite a few families who are on disability / benefits and i can tell (mostly) at a blink of an eye who the genuine ones are and who are the cheats. But both sides of scale still appear to be doing very well for themselves.

It's one of lifes mysteries Mr M. There's a school near York, it caters for the needs of the blind. And do you know what? It has windows and electric lights! Strange, or what? John.

John , electricity is seen by most in this world as a necessity , but , i suppose this growing culture will see the parking bays in the same light before long. Hey ho.

[chesters1]

EXACTAMUNDO. I do believe it's easy money living. I'll hold my hands up and be brave enough to say it. I may also add that i see behind closed doors of quite a few families who are on disability / benefits and i can tell (mostly) at a blink of an eye who the genuine ones are and who are the cheats. But both sides of scale still appear to be doing very well for themselves.

your getting muddled with what is a disability ,my mrs has epilepsy but to the onlooker perfectly normal but definately a disability ,luckily (because the government doesent count epilepsy as a real disablement)(although in real life its far more disabling than having no legs etc) she also needs a new knee which does in the governments eye become a disability.

for the gammy knee she needs little actual help she can sit down ! but she's not going to have much of a life in constant pain in a 20 yard circle !for the epilepsy 24 hr support ,pain is the deciding factor then ability with the walking ,you can have a mental disability just as much as a physical one .theres scales in use for mental ability and for mobility ,you need top rate mobility to get the blue badge or ofcourse middle rate or above ability to be classed as disabled!

you get extra help for mobility purely because it costs far more to have a "normal" life if your physically disabled! you cant run for a bus if your legs dont work if ofcourse your lucky enough to have a bus to catch ,everything needs planning so life cannot be normal as yours or mine.

just keeping an eye on her drugs and when their taken is a full time job and she gets a carrier bag full at a time!

her physical side is easy she hobbles about for a while then the knee swells up so she cant hobble about! she takes more drugs to dull the extra pain she gets hobbling about and another lot to dull the pain when it swells up etc the epilepsy and its side effects are far more dangerous to her and others and are not calmed by sitting down!

 

if some kid can broaden his horizon by driving himslelf about rather than depending on others good luck to him! i certainly wouldnt begrudge him lessons ,a car or anything else!

 

it effects everyone not just her ,i need to go out in the car she has to come too ,i go on the bike i cant linger long incase she has a fit ,every part of life is effected for both of us !

your thinking why does she need to go in the car as well ! ,because a car classed as a disabled vehicle has stringeant rules its for her benefit not mine ,i cannot use the car without her being in it or on her behalf (getting prescriptions or picking her up etc) as the bikes off the road the only way i have of bailiffing is taking her with me ,its not so rosy as some think!

 

even the mobility scheme is a two edged sword yes you can get a "free" car but anything over a smart car and the money you get for mobility is gone so you have a shiny car and no money to use it and your back living on basic benefits which in reality is very hard to exist on ,far less than a pensioner gets and they are just existing!

we plumped for more money so have a 20 year old car which bar the tax disk we pay for ,my car (given free by son in law for camping)has stood on the drive for a year with all the bits needing replacing for its mot being bought on ebay with money gained by selling my stuff on ebay ,its passed its mot but now sits waiting for money for tax and insurance ,we cant pay for it out of her money so more of my bits are sold on ebay ,easy on benefits? doing well for them selves ? ,get real!

Edited March 18, 2008 by chesters1

[mr motorola]

your getting muddled with what is a disability ,my mrs has epilepsy but to the onlooker perfectly normal but definately a disability ,luckily (because the government doesent count epilepsy as a real disablement)(although in real life its far more disabling than having no legs etc) she also needs a new knee which does in the governments eye become a disability.

for the gammy knee she needs little actual help she can sit down ! but she's not going to have much of a life in constant pain in a 20 yard circle !for the epilepsy 24 hr support ,pain is the deciding factor then ability with the walking ,you can have a mental disability just as much as a physical one .theres scales in use for mental ability and for mobility ,you need top rate mobility to get the blue badge or ofcourse middle rate or above ability to be classed as disabled!

 

it effects everyone not just her ,i need to go out in the car she has to come too ,i go on the bike i cant linger long incase she has a fit ,every part of life is effected for both of us !

And at last we finally arrive at an answer to our problem with so many idle gits on the benefits scheme who shouldn't be on it.

 

There are sooooooooooooooooo many ailments that could be construed as a disability that our gps and specialists can't be ar5ed 'seeing ' them for a consultation and give them their sticker. I'm being silly now , i hear you speak. Well why are so many able bodied people on the pancrack or disability allowance being caught out , check the media.

 

It does feel like the honest hard working man / woman has pretty much naff all to look forward to on their rare days off. Even shopping has become some sort of military order nowadays , YOU WILL park where we tell you to park and you won't use our empty tills that are designated for the hard of hearing / disabled. Is my money not as good as anyone elses? Some of us on this island work damn bloody hard for a living and are getting pretty pi$$ed off with the way the cushion squashers seem to have more concessions than a concession shop that is having a jumble of all its best concessions.

 

Oooops , got a bit silly there.

[chesters1]

perhaps you should have a go at family parking places ,after all they choose to have their disability

 

as i mentioned in another post its good for the gov to have lots on the sick list they then disapear off the jobless list ,all governments have done it and occasionally when the media catch on exposing their game a flurry of activity goes on to show the masses its a bit naughty ,it will die down more long term unemployed will become "sick" the government will point to the low numbers on the unemployment statistics and tell evryone how good they are chasing scroungers into work!

"new deal" is labours new sick list ,everyone on it disapears off the unemployment list and it costs far far more to run it than just paying the long term unemployed benefits and although (having been on it) its described as "training" for work in reality a company/person is paid £75 a week to "train " you ,after the allotted "training" period your got rid off and another "trainee" is taken on ,not one when i was there had a job at the end of it and all you had to show was a certificate to show you had been trained ,a certificate that none in their right mind would dare to show because it shows you were long term unemployed!

my "training" (had i not declined as the rules didnt effect over 50 year olds) was at a notorius gardening company who use nothing but the long term unemployed as cheap labour then get shot of them ,i have had dealings with that "company" in the past employing their "garden experts"

the actual course i wanted and was hoping for didnt actually exist as i found out the first day! the spiel the "training company" (some american shower) listed 20 courses in reality it was four ,none of any good bar to prove 16 year olds could get up early to attend the center!

the certificates didnt even mention the "training" the trainees were supposed to have trained for they showed the "client" had attended the center nothing more!

the government are spending billions more hiding the jobless than just excepting that in some areas their just isnt any work ,probably a great deal more than encouraging companies with lower taxes to start then employ them!

Edited March 19, 2008 by chesters1

[Ken L]

Bet he's getting lower rate mobility component of DLA and my money would be on ADHD as the source of his "disability'.

Poor love is so disabled that he needs to be supervised most of the time that he's walking outdoors but the law allows him to get behind the wheel of a car and drive on his own.

If there some mysterious link allowing the DWP to inform the DVLA of people who get his particular benefit ?

No, of course there isn't. That's what "joined up government" is all about.

 

The question is what would your reaction be if some family member was killed or injured by a driver who is recieving benefits because they suposedly need to be supervised outdoors ?

[Steve Walker]

Bet he's getting lower rate mobility component of DLA and my money would be on ADHD as the source of his "disability'.

 

I was about to say that I don't have any problem with people with mobility problems being allowed to drive a little earlier and being helped with the costs. I don't agree with it if the situation is as you describe, though. If someone's ADHD is adequately controlled by medication, why would they be disabled? If it isn't, they shouldn't be driving. Mad.

 

DVLA line on ADHD and driving:

 

http://www.adders.org/info63.htm

 

US line:

 

http://www.driver-ed.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=253

[Huge_Vitae]

Bet he's getting lower rate mobility component of DLA and my money would be on ADHD as the source of his "disability'.

 

Don't dissagree with you there Ken but.........

 

Learning to drive

 

The usual minimum age for driving cars is 17. However, if you are currently getting Disability Living Allowance at the higher rate (mobility component), the minimum age for driving is 16.

[chesters1]

and ofcourse a blue badge and the mobility scheme only apply to the higher rate mobility ,a blue badge though can be issued if you can fool the council your needing it!

not sure the care element gets you on the mobility scheme but no doupt if someones on the high rate they need supervision at all times so car driving would be a no no for the "patient" themselves

if they can go out in a car themselves surely they disqualify themselves anyway?

 

i just love all these new terms they dream up ADHD in my day was a little shite that needed a hefty belt to get his attention ,now bad kids have seudo medical reasons why they are stupid or lazy