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Posted 29 October 2011 - 12:26 PM

Tigger,

Admittedly, this comment may be "way off base" - just the fact it comes from me is enough really.

Nowhere on the planet do anglers "loose feed, chum, ground bait" or by whatever other it is called like anglers do in England. Just as that practice ARTIFICALLY concentrates the fish, it may also concentrate their predators.

Also, I don't think anyone is saying otter "can't" kill large fish. In fact, like catching a record fish for an angler, it becomes "big news" when a large fish falls to a predator.

When I first fished England and was told a lake owner paid a $1000 for a fish I lost a "beer bet" saying that it wasn't possible any carp in the world was to be worth a thousand dollars. See, how wrong I was? I may know a little about carp but I know NOTHING about carp farming in England.

I don't want anyone in business to loose livestock, cows or carp. Equally, it is difficult for me to condone eradication of a creature for profit.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 02:13 PM

but he'd found two 15lb pike left on the bank, stomachs bitten open, but not much of the fish eaten.

That sounds like an angler (or poacher) with a "kill all pike" mentality, followed by an opportunist rat (four-legged variety)


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Posted 29 October 2011 - 03:38 PM

I don't believe an Otter could begin to cope with a 15lb pike.

Anyway, I would far rather see Otters on the bank than not at all. For years, all I saw was Mink on the banks and they do actually kill indiscriminately and in numbers. Since the Otters have shown up again, the Mink have all but disappeared and not through numbers of Otters. I dare say scat and urine has moved a lot of these pests from their comfy homes.

I don't understand why many folk wish for an Otter cull anyway, when Mink had the run of the banks for decades. I can't ever recall anyone asking for a Mink cull. For that reason, I think that many just see the Otter as a 'new' predator, in the sense that it barely existed anywhere for decades. It's a bit like when Cormorants first appeared inland. The arrival of a 'new' predator is enough for some to form an opinion, wishing for the eradication of something, without grasping that have been far greater problems for fish, than the odd new mouth to feed.

I know waters suffer but on the whole, our waters do seem to be better managed. All these bold new steps take time to balance out. I'm sure the Otters will do just that and the everyone will forget about them, moving on to the next big fish killer, whatever that happens to be.
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Posted 29 October 2011 - 04:22 PM

Andy,

I concur with your assessment 100% with this execption. No one wants to loose livestock if it is their livelyhood. I think commercials are justified is considering expensive fish as livestock. (Our big battle right now is with the re-introduction of "timber wolf packs" in the high plateau country of western US, they kill cattle.)

Now, do I have an otter answer for England? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - No!!
Does anyone??

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 04:37 PM

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YES!!! on land that has about 40 miles between trees. (They are "native" you know)
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Posted 29 October 2011 - 04:46 PM

i cant wait for ospreys :thumbs:

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 04:58 PM

But it can, a 20 lb barbel,


I would like to see proof of that.
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Posted 29 October 2011 - 05:27 PM

Well I have had a one to one with a Timber Wolf :o As a RAF dog handler we were gifted on from the USAF that could handle the thing. My section boss a certain Cpl Brian Fear took the King the 'Wolf' out of sight and kicked the bejeesus out of it, he saved Kings life, the 'dog' went on to be a top police dog and even was a member of the Elite dog team that performed shows for the public.
As a scrote I had the pleasure of King practising his stopping a 'criminal' thing, and he hurt, more than any other Alsation.
We all knew that King was a bit 'special' :D



I for one would have a great deal of pleasure in kicking the bejeesus out of Cpl Fear.
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Posted 29 October 2011 - 05:28 PM

I would like to see proof of that.


Didn't you know, in the absence of otters, barbel are immortal, they never get old and weak and fall prey to natural predators. Even when hounded by repeat captures.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 05:32 PM

I do remember another forum member on AN who also claimed to be a RAF dog handler. His name was Rabbit and he was banned...