do as we tell you

[corydoras]

My Grandfather could tell you if he was still alive.

 

This has less to do with the failure of Greece or the collapse of the Euro and is more to do with pushing europe to a single complete union controlled by one.

My Grandfather fought in the war too but that is just a load of old bollix again. Perhaps you'd like to read and respond to this since all the other antis seem to have just washed round about it.

[barry luxton]

Pardon me for cutting and pasting from Wikipaedia but those who think that leaving the EU and the joining either the EEA or EFTA is a zero sum game need to read and understand this.

 

 

 

So Barry, Andrew KenL et al answer me this after we leave the EU, if that's what the UK population are daft enough to vote for that option in a referendum, what happens the Monday morning after we leave?

 

Your the one who will be looking daft if the sticking plaster approach don't work. Is this the second greek bail out the e u are going through? Who's next and how long will it take the greek's to pay back what it owes, value for money, worth doing? How can writing off 50% of someones eye watering debt be a price worth paying?

 

You are having a laugh. The e u need markets to trade into, it works both ways. If the eu wish to weild the big trading stick, the uk can do the same. By staying in, the e u wants to impose an unfair tax on the city of london because we ain't thank god in the euro. The uk can charge the e u a premium rate for our banking and insurance markets, like lloyds of london who are a world class company that the likes of the e u need to trade with for example, shipping insurance. We can always take our fishing grounds back. that will solve two problems, the e u need fish to eat big time and it will allow our stocks to grow. The french can have 50% of the channel cod stock as opposed to 70-80% The rest of the europeon fleet can have a u k issued administered licence at a cost, to fish the uk's 200 mile zone of the north sea, if we have a fish surplas. We can also put the price of our oil up. And in the afternoon....................

 

btw. my grandad had something to do regards the revolving turret on the lancaster. No he wasn't the grease monkey.

Edited November 4, 2011 by barry luxton

[corydoras]

Your the one who will be looking daft if the sticking plaster approach don't work. Is this the second greek bail out the e u are going through? Who's next and how long will it take the greek's to pay back what it owes, value for money, worth doing? How can writing off 50% of someones eye watering debt be a price worth paying?

 

You are having a laugh. The e u need markets to trade into, it works both ways. If the eu wish to weild the big trading stick, the uk can do the same. By staying in, the e u wants to impose an unfair tax on the city of london because we ain't thank god in the euro. The uk can charge the e u a premium rate for our banking and insurance markets, like lloyds of london who are a world class company that the likes of the e u need to trade with for example, shipping insurance. We can always take our fishing grounds back. that will solve two problems, the e u need fish to eat big time and it will allow our stocks to grow. The french can have 50% of the channel cod stock as opposed to 70-80% The rest of the europeon fleet can have a u k issued administered licence at a cost, to fish the uk's 200 mile zone of the north sea, if we have a fish surplas. We can also put the price of our oil up. And in the afternoon....................

Stop changing the subject and go wittering on about fish. Answer the point I made in post 65.

 

Greece is NOT going to pay back what it owes. Greece will default, it's not a matter of IF just WHEN.

 

You don't know much about shipping Barry, you forget that I was in the Merchant Navy for nine years. There are hardly any EU registered ships left. Our own Merchant was shafted by your darling Maggie as soon as we had done our bit in the Falklands Conflict. I don't think the Norwegians or the Faroe Islanders will be too happy with the UK declaring 200 miles round the UK as our exclusive fishing rights either. Norway is only 180 miles from the Shetlands. Didn't they do geography at the school you went to?

[Phone]

Now there's,

 

""""Greece wasn't the first country in trouble but has been highlighted because of the fact the people have risen and are telling the world they have had enough."""

 

Had enough what? Free lunch?

 

Greek PEOPLE are now somewhere near the bottom of the cycle repeated many many times in history.

 

From bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage;

From courage to liberty;

From liberty to abundance;

From abundance to complacency;

From complacency to apathy;

From apathy to dependence;

From dependency back into bondage.”

 

How to help? What's in our best interest? What are the alternatives? Is isolation a policy? Where do you want the Greeks to turn if not to us? For sure the Greeks can no longer do it for themselves. I don't think anybody is in disagreement on that point.

 

Cory,

 

We aren't talking about "boot licking". We are talking domestic policy during profound events that define leaders publicly. Early on as well as later, didn't Winston fail to gain the confidence of the majority of British people on domestic issues? Such a comment makes me cringe.

 

Britian above all other world powers I've studied has had my admiration for being neither a monolith unified by conformity nor a machine made of fragmented individuals, but a thinking organism made of discrete participants, each contributing their unique and essential creativity into the dynamic wisdom and power of the whole (government). It seems it is no longer in vogue in the UK to be civil in developing a British unifying ideology. That's the ONE thing throughout history you have done best IMO, has been to produce leadership. Do you have an explaination?

 

Phone

[Ken L]

So Barry, Andrew KenL et al answer me this. After we leave the EU, if that's what the UK population are daft enough to vote for option in a referendum, what happens the Monday morning after we leave?

 

Precisely nothing.

 

In a few weeks, someone in the EU might get around to sitting down and setting up trade barriers but that would very quickly be dismissed as neither the EU nor anyone else can afford to be seen to be imposing unfair limitations on trade in the current global economy.

 

EU owned industry's in GB would continue as now because they are hear to take advantage of the UK market and that's not about to change.

 

There would be much hand wringing about the various reciprocal agreements and working visa's would be phased in by both the EU and GB to accommodate the free movement of skilled labour.

Meanwhile, a lot of people claiming pensions and benefits would be in for a big shock - including the Brits in Spain and Cyprus and the thousands of Somali's with Dutch and Swedish passports who are over here to claim benefits.

 

Spanish, French and Baltic trawlers would have to find somewhere else to fish.

 

We'd have to set up agencies to take on some of the decision making and stewardship tasks currently ceded to the EU - perhaps we could use some of the estimated £65 Billion annual cost of EU membership to fund these....

Edited November 4, 2011 by Ken L

[barry luxton]

Stop changing the subject and go wittering on about fish. Answer the point I made in post 65.

 

Greece is NOT going to pay back what it owes. Greece will default, it's not a matter of IF just WHEN.

 

You don't know much about shipping Barry, you forget that I was in the Merchant Navy for nine years. There are hardly any EU registered ships left. Our own Merchant was shafted by your darling Maggie as soon as we had done our bit in the Falklands Conflict. I don't think the Norwegians or the Faroe Islanders will be too happy with the UK declaring 200 miles round the UK as our exclusive fishing rights either. Norway is only 180 miles from the Shetlands. Didn't they do geography at the school you went to?

 

There's me thinking you was a cook in your past life. A farmer, anything else, you havn't exactly come across with the reddies with regards to defending the awful amount of waste the e u generates. So the big hitters have got to prop up the loosers, is this what the socilist dream e u is all about. The dream has a lot of contries in minus who will need to be proped up compared with those who's shoulders it all rests on. I'm sure we can negociate with norway re who's fishing grounds are who's much the same when the uk devides up the narrow channel with the french. The greeks will not toe the line with the austerity plans the germans have for them so whatever next. Anything else left in the socilist armory, or contiue to prop up to infinity.So it's back to post one then as phone has just pointed out, do as i tell you.

 

Good news this morning for u k, plc, RBS, 2 bil profit in 3 months. B A to buy bmi off the ........................... germans.

 

Lets not continue with the personal's all it does is show the argument is lost, eh.

Edited November 4, 2011 by barry luxton

[Andrew]

124.000 immigrants missing in Great Britain, i wonder how many EASTERN/WESTERN EUROPEANS are amongst that number.

 

The government have put them in a " controlled archive " LMAO WTF is that when its at home, IMHO, they have written them off, simple as that.

I wonder how many of those pasted thu countries on the continent, Germany, Italy, France, etc , to get to give it away Great Britain.

Edited November 4, 2011 by Andrew

[chesters1]

i was watching a report where poland sends an aircraft every 2 weeks to take criminals back we catch ,surely even under EU rules we can stop them entering if they come here the "legal" way ,try and get into OZ with form

i expect the UK has had many secret deal;s where they simply give citizenship to anyone to clear the back log ,i think a few years ago it was 450 thousand cases waiting final decisions or fresh appeals starting

if saddam had been able to get here i bet he would be very comfy in Pinochet's old pad

 

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/02/08/th...-war-criminals/

Edited November 4, 2011 by chesters1

[Andrew]

I think you wil be jumped on for the content on that link Chesters.

[Now there's a right un.]

My Grandfather fought in the war too but that is just a load of old bollix again. Perhaps you'd like to read and respond to this since all the other antis seem to have just washed round about it.

 

 

 

 

 

Why is it a load of ******?

Might have be be slighty more profane in my responses to you in future...

 

Fact--Germany and France are telling everyone else what to do, again.

 

The Euro is the first stage on the pathway to a Federal Europe.

The euro cannot work with independent zones that each have different agendas.

In a Federal Europe, as is with America, you have 1 leader and below him states/areas of population.

 

In WW2 you had Hitler as head with the Gauleiter below him controlling smaller population sectors.

 

If Germany and France become the main fund for the internal Euro bailout they become the Euro.

To make it work we will then see moves to unify each nation, much the same as American states, we then have the start of the European federal path.

 

Anyone with half a brain knows continental europe will be united at some point in the future.

 

 

@ Phone...not sure what the lunch reference means to be honest.

I think that the Greeks are angry not because of Austerity but more because those that caused the crisis got away from the fiasco free with taxpayers money. Not one Government has really done anything than say " Naughty Naughty."

 

Makes me laugh to be honest.

The Government Bank bailouts are like giving a gambling addict £1,000 next to a Bookmakers/Turf Accountant and expecting the addict to have £1,000 at the end of the day.

Some of the greedy so and so's should have been left to fall.

Half of the pigs wouldn't have a job now without the taxpayer bailout yet still refuse to acknowledge their guilt and just carry on the same as before.