R.I.P. - a good thing?

[Vagabond]

1 I wouldn't want to wish one eternal activity on a friend.

 

2. I'm 99.99% certain that when I'm gone that's it, finito, but if not I'd rather rest at or in peace than in turmoil.

1. Quite - I refer y'all to G.E.M. Skues's story "Mr Castwell"

 

2. As I understand it (and how I used and meant it) it is an acknowledgement that the deceased is now beyond any pain, anguish or suffering and "lives on" in the memory of those who knew him or her.

 

Nothing more, nothing less, and certainly nothing to do with religion or the lack of it.

 

PS I'm surprised that any papist-based religion should use RIP - I thought most of them were keen on a spell in purgatory, followed in some cases with eternal damnation, incineration and suffering. "Wailing and gnashing of teeth" etc etc

Edited April 11, 2015 by Vagabond

[Ken L]

So our Muslim brothers have it correct when they are surrounded by so many celestial virgins.

Not sure they've thought that one through....

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OcQ9A-5noM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OcQ9A-5noM

[Steve Walker]

Not sure they've thought that one through....

Or this;

 

Edited April 11, 2015 by Steve Walker

[corydoras]

PS I'm surprised that any papist-based religion should use RIP - I thought most of them were keen on a spell in purgatory, followed in some cases with eternal damnation, incineration and suffering. "Wailing and gnashing of teeth" etc etc

Catholics, Lutheran and Anglican, especially the High Curch types.

 

Eschewed by Calvinists.

[Andy_1984]

You lot read in to things too much. Of course its a good thing as its a sign of showing respect even if you dont believe in god or the "resting" bit or what ever and quite frankly i think a few of you are being a bit disrespectful "rot in peace?" ffs and ken sorry but thats a load of crap in your first post i said rip on a topic when andy passed away. Im not a believer or dilusional.

[corydoras]

You lot read in to things too much. Of course its a good thing as its a sign of showing respect even if you dont believe in god or the "resting" bit or what ever and quite frankly i think a few of you are being a bit disrespectful "rot in peace?" ffs and ken sorry but thats a load of crap in your first post i said rip on a topic when andy passed away. Im not a believer or dilusional.

Sorry Andy, but writing RIP as an epithet to someone who is an atheist like me is an insult. You may as well say that god neeeded another angel in heaven. I wouldn't mind at all if someone wrote "Rot In Peace" were carved on my headstone.

 

 

Edited April 12, 2015 by corydoras

[Phone]

Cory,

 

When you comment without thinking you become the forum's number one hypocrite. Seems to me you cannot insult a dead atheist like you. How you wish to impetrate the meaning of RIP, while you are alive, is up to you. Two of the of the three words can have interpretative connotations.

 

If I use the salutation "how are you" and you answer "fine" - (1) you’ve been granted a (heavenly) reprieve from the wearisome grind that all but defines the human condition and as a result are experiencing a rare and sublime moment of fineness or (2) you are lying.

 

I suspect #2

 

Phone

 

(Andy is right - sort of)

[barry luxton]

Sorry Andy, but writing RIP as an epithet to someone who is an atheist like me is an insult. You may as well say that god neeeded another angel in heaven. I wouldn't mind at all if someone wrote "Rot In Peace" were carved on my headstone.

your not likely to whinge and moan or be insulted if your dead, surly.

[Ken L]

You lot read in to things too much. Of course its a good thing as its a sign of showing respect even if you dont believe in god or the "resting" bit or what ever and quite frankly i think a few of you are being a bit disrespectful "rot in peace?" ffs and ken sorry but thats a load of crap in your first post i said rip on a topic when andy passed away. Im not a believer or dilusional.

 

Then you were using the phrase as is discussed in my second post.

I agree with Cory to a point. I understand that in some cases, people are simply saying the things that our society expects them to say or using phrases unthinkingly to express a rather vague idea but I too would be insulted if someone (for instance) earnestly told me that a loved one "is in a better place" after their death. I understand what it implies from a religious perspective but they are still saying that the person I loved is better off dead.

"Rest in peace" has rather less potential for offence but it's not a million miles from "now he/she is at peace" which would again rub me up the wrong way if it was said earnestly about a loved one.

[chesters1]

 

Then you were using the phrase as is discussed in my second post.

I agree with Cory to a point. I understand that in some cases, people are simply saying the things that our society expects them to say or using phrases unthinkingly to express a rather vague idea but I too would be insulted if someone (for instance) earnestly told me that a loved one "is in a better place" after their death. I understand what it implies from a religious perspective but they are still saying that the person I loved is better off dead.

"Rest in peace" has rather less potential for offence but it's not a million miles from "now he/she is at peace" which would again rub me up the wrong way if it was said earnestly about a loved one.

Hmm my mum was certainly better off dead than what she was for almost a year before her death ,perhaps i didnt love her?

Whether she is a peace now my dads ashes in his box sit upon hers in the grave is not known ,i know in her lifetime the occurence was rare LOL

Not sure i am thin skinned enough to care what others say nor even less what they think

Edited April 12, 2015 by chesters1