Shooting bears

[kleinboet]

With a lot of the posters here showing a lot of indignation over the video, the question has to be asked: Have you ever watched a "how to" video/DVD on fishing, and would you still have watched it and gone fishing if we didn't return our fish? How many of us have accidently killed a fish and reasoned that it was an accident and left it at that?

With the debate still going on about us catching fish and returning them, are we overreacting because of Pretty Extreme Territorial Ants?

Edited June 5, 2009 by kleinboet

[Cranfield]

In many countries black bear are culled by licence (much as deer are in the UK) and their management is necessary.

By selling the licences the local Authority raise revenues for the local community.

The meat is not wasted, I have eaten black bear and it is a strong, tasty meat.

 

Assuming that the people that visit this Forum go fishing (although I wonder sometimes if any of them leave their computers), it might be a bit hypocritical to condemn the humane killing of a creature.

Does a bear have more rights than a mackerel ?

[gozzer]

Does a bear have more rights than a mackerel ?

 

That's an interesting question, unfortunately I don't have an answer.

 

But I'd like to know if a cat or dog has more 'rights' than a bear?

 

John.

[Steve Walker]

Assuming that the people that visit this Forum go fishing (although I wonder sometimes if any of them leave their computers), it might be a bit hypocritical to condemn the humane killing of a creature.

Does a bear have more rights than a mackerel ?

 

Would you approve of killing mackerel and throwing them up the beach to rot?

 

I don't think hunting without good reason is the same as fishing. If I had to kill every fish I caught (or if catching a fish were necessarily lethal), I wouldn't fish for species that I couldn't eat, and I wouldn't catch more than I could use. I certainly wouldn't kill a fish to stick it in a glass case, and doing so is not something I approve of. I would shoot an animal for meat, I wouldn't shoot one for a trophy.

 

Those are my beliefs. The bear hunters have their own. We can live and let live without each having to agree on whether what the other does is right. Disapproving of something is not the same as believing that something should not be allowed.

[Vagabond]

I would shoot an animal for meat, I wouldn't shoot one for a trophy.

 

Those are my beliefs. The bear hunters have their own.

 

 

...but it is not only beliefs, there are laws also.

 

My last Texas Fishing and Hunting Guide (which you get free when you buy a licence) states that it is an offence in law to waste game. (that means both mammals and fish that are classed as "game")

 

ie you shoot it, you eat it. Similar (if not exactly the same) laws operate in other USA states, and in Canada also - as the original poster stated. One or two caveats, but the principle is the same.

 

Some posters (not you Steve) seem oblivious to the fact that there are well-run and well-researched fishing and hunting controls in the USA and Canada - enforced by rangers who carry sidearms. I often feel we could do with such an approach here.

[corydoras]

... I often feel we could do with such an approach here.

The equivalent of our water bailiffs are armed and have full powers of arrest in France too.

[Cranfield]

Would you approve of killing mackerel and throwing them up the beach to rot?

 

I don't think hunting without good reason is the same as fishing. If I had to kill every fish I caught (or if catching a fish were necessarily lethal), I wouldn't fish for species that I couldn't eat, and I wouldn't catch more than I could use. I certainly wouldn't kill a fish to stick it in a glass case, and doing so is not something I approve of. I would shoot an animal for meat, I wouldn't shoot one for a trophy.

 

Those are my beliefs. The bear hunters have their own. We can live and let live without each having to agree on whether what the other does is right. Disapproving of something is not the same as believing that something should not be allowed.

 

If somebody told me that the bear was definitely left to rot in the trees and no use was made of its death, then I would condemn the shooting.

 

 

I agree that just because we don't want to do something, we shouldn't condemn those that lawfully carry out that activity.

Don't get me started on squash..................

[greg long]

Would you approve of killing mackerel and throwing them up the beach to rot?

 

I don't think hunting without good reason is the same as fishing. If I had to kill every fish I caught (or if catching a fish were necessarily lethal), I wouldn't fish for species that I couldn't eat, and I wouldn't catch more than I could use. I certainly wouldn't kill a fish to stick it in a glass case, and doing so is not something I approve of. I would shoot an animal for meat, I wouldn't shoot one for a trophy.

 

Those are my beliefs. The bear hunters have their own. We can live and let live without each having to agree on whether what the other does is right. Disapproving of something is not the same as believing that something should not be allowed.

 

The original poster Kepac? has stated here that the bear meat was/is used and eaten...sausages and steaks. By law as part of the license the meat must be used. Therefor what is the problem? They eat horse and donkey meat on the continent. Jews and Muslims cannot understand gentiles eating pork... either way attacking others for doing things like hunting bears is still over the top. If ity was atrophy deer would it be different? After all, the royals do that all the time...there are just no bears left in scotland or the rest of the UK, they were hunted out of existance.

[chesters1]

The equivalent of our water bailiffs are armed and have full powers of arrest in France too.

bailiffs in the past here had considerable power but they only existed for game fish and ofcourse the land owners that fished for them.

course fishing bailiffs do nothing more than collect numbers and provide cheap labour

the EA in reality dont have bailiffs just tax enforcers

[captain cojones]

The equivalent of our water bailiffs are armed and have full powers of arrest in France too.

 

same here.