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But it could be very easy for maybe one coarse species to become an "eating" fish if the right people lead the way.

 

I could just accept that might be possible. However I think that the supply/demand equation would soon come in (like trout) and we could soon see that particular "in vogue" coarse species being farmed for the purpose.

 

As you say your self though I couldn't see it impacting on wild coarse fish stocks in general.

 

Going back to the point I keep making/asking about,if people were to turn to coarse fish more (I say more not as an alternative to sea fish etc) would it have any really detrimental affect on long term fish stocks?

 

Maybe some one on here has some knowledge or even personal experience of "coarse fish for food" during times of food shortages such as the war? How many took how many fish sort of thing and did it have any great affect? (even short term as it obviously hasn't long term!)

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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I could just accept that might be possible. However I think that the supply/demand equation would soon come in (like trout) and we could soon see that particular "in vogue" coarse species being farmed for the purpose.

 

As you say your self though I couldn't see it impacting on wild coarse fish stocks in general.

 

Going back to the point I keep making/asking about,if people were to turn to coarse fish more (I say more not as an alternative to sea fish etc) would it have any really detrimental affect on long term fish stocks?

 

Yeah I may have drifted away from the main topic issue :rolleyes:

 

I am in agreement that I can't see it doing any long term damage to wild stocks as long as taken by rod and line.

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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I'm led to believe (by old books) that there were profesional roach anglers fishing the Thames in the 1800's and they sold them for food. But that was in the 1800's, not 2010.

 

Another thing, have any of you ever eaten Roach? I once had one cooked by my Mum, and it was awful. Chub was worse, but Perch is very tasty.

 

I think this whole new idea of living off the land is just a fad. Mainly being pushed by Chef types who have a serious financial interest in getting the gullible to pay through the nose for second rate foodstuffs/fish/meat etc.

 

Den

"When through the woods and forest glades I wanderAnd hear the birds sing sweetly in the trees;When I look down from lofty mountain grandeur,And hear the brook, and feel the breeze;and see the waves crash on the shore,Then sings my soul..................

for all you Spodders. https://youtu.be/XYxsY-FbSic

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I've never eaten roach or chub, but I believe you when you say they taste horrible! Zander is nice, pike is good too, I never really liked eels although my old nan loved them. I could never bring myself to kill a perch, and these days I don't think I could kill any coarse fish just for food. However, having the right to is very different to exercising that right, as has been said many times on here before.

And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music

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I'm led to believe (by old books) that there were profesional roach anglers fishing the Thames in the 1800's and they sold them for food. But that was in the 1800's, not 2010.

 

Another thing, have any of you ever eaten Roach? I once had one cooked by my Mum, and it was awful. Chub was worse, but Perch is very tasty.

 

I think this whole new idea of living off the land is just a fad. Mainly being pushed by Chef types who have a serious financial interest in getting the gullible to pay through the nose for second rate foodstuffs/fish/meat etc.

 

Den

Can't argue with perch. In my opinion one of the best tasting fish in fresh or salt water. I haven't tried roach but chub in summer from clean rivers are quite palatable.

 

I agree with the fad thing. I'm just a bit confused that all of a sudden people are ranting about the possibility that loads of anglers are going to start cooking everything they catch under 8"!

 

If that's likely then obviously anglers are becoming dangerous to the environment.........who started this PETA?

Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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having the right to is very different to exercising that right, as has been said many times on here before.

 

And to supplement that having the right means you can't be criticised for exercising it provided you remain within the boundaries of the relevant governance.

It's never a 'six', let's put it back

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And to supplement that having the right means you can't be criticised for exercising it provided you remain within the boundaries of the relevant governance.

 

Yes. I may choose not to exercise it, others might, and I'd have no problem with that, as long as sensible boundries were set.

 

Nature is way more resilient that people seem to realise. Even when people do their best to wipe out species like pike and zander (some of the best fish for eating), the populations continue to thrive. I think the waters are muddied - pun intended - now by unnatural fisheries, where nature is unable to redress the balance. But these places are owned and managed by individuals, who have absolute say over what happens there, so they aren't really relevant.

And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music

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Historically, the close season for coarse fish was partly due to falling pike stocks, once again though, this was in an era when people did eat coarse fish.

 

Den

"When through the woods and forest glades I wanderAnd hear the birds sing sweetly in the trees;When I look down from lofty mountain grandeur,And hear the brook, and feel the breeze;and see the waves crash on the shore,Then sings my soul..................

for all you Spodders. https://youtu.be/XYxsY-FbSic

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Personally i'd be very weary of eating any freshwater fish due to the water quality of most fresh waters. The canals and many rivers have an industrial past and harbour lots of pollutants in their substrate which could cause allkinds of illness. If Northwest water do any dredging of canals they have to pay massive ammounts to dispose of the sediment due to all the nasties present in it. Since fish live in the water they invariably consume the pollutants and they stay in the fishes body. Narrh, eating freshwater fish ain't for me.

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