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There a few things from the Joint Report that need considering

 

This report is put forward with a view to the meeting of the European Council (Article 50) of 14-15 December 2017. Under the caveat that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed, the joint commitments set out in this joint report shall be reflected in the Withdrawal Agreement in full detail. This does not prejudge any adaptations that might be appropriate in case transitional agreements were to be agreed in the second phase of the negotiations, and is without prejudice on the discussions on the framework of future relationship.

 

So anything can happen, it can still go either way, even a hard Brexit!

 

There's a well known saying about counting chickens before they've hatched.

 

John.

 

PS, sorry it's not from the Express, Independent, Guardian, or Mail.

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Angling is more than just catching fish, if it wasn't it would just be called 'catching'......... John

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There's a well known saying about counting chickens before they've hatched.

I agree John, and to take this "fowl" analogy further, some of our brave Brexiteers are beginning to sound as if they want to chicken out.


 

 

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World species 471 : UK species 105 : English species 95 .

Certhia's world species - 215

Eclectic "husband and wife combined" world species 501

 

"Nothing matters very much, few things matter at all" - Plato

...only things like fresh bait and cold beer...

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Smt, on 09 Dec 2017 - 09:44, said:

I have but you obviously haven't (or if you have you've not understood it). There's nothing surprising or incriminating in the declarations. On the contrary its reassuring to see how diverse their interests are and how active they are.

 

 

Go read it again sport. and tell us all quite a few don't have e u interests, are you blind as well as a troll.


Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel. Barbel. Bleak. Dace.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.

Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.

Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.

Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub.

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Our governments cynical and inhuman attempt to use EU national residing in the UK has left our own nationals living in the EU out on a limb. Going well huh?

 

'Sacrificed on the altar of trade': Britons in Europe feel betrayed by Brexit deal

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/11/sacrificed-on-the-altar-of-trade-brits-in-europe-feel-betrayed-by-brexit-deal?

Who gives a crap about those abroad ,its their choice and as so they can choose to return or face the consequences like anyone living in a foreign country ,intact I would remove all British embassy's from abroad if someone goes abroad and gets into trouble tough they chose to go abroad! Save a few pennies in those elaborate feasts these embassies have on a regular basis and a great number of staff put to good use sweeping streets here doing something productive

 

I see your using cods broken record of only remainers knew the truth ,got a crystal ball?

Hopefully the majority didn't give a flying fig about what will happen they just want things as they were before we become a slave state of europe ,they even want to dictate who we trade with after we leave never mind whilst in it!

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Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

Mathew 4:19

Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

 

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I do. Many of my friends live in the EU.

 

I think you've demonstrated again and again that you don't give a crap for anyone but yourself.

At least I am honest ,as for your friends they were not forced to go abroad so its on their own head like every other choice in life.

I presume pre 1974 no-one worked abroad and no foreign workers came here?

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Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

Mathew 4:19

Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

 

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

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1). He says no-one know what they were voting for in the referendum.

Wrong: Remainers knew exactly what they were voting for.

So "remainers" knew they were voting to stay in an EU where Merkel would win the (then) upcoming federal elections in Germany and Macron would win in France, perpetuating the unfettered demographic and economic changes to Europe resulting from the importation of millions of uneducated, culturally incompatible migrants, very few of whom have any intention of working or contributing to our societies.

You knew that these people would be granted citizenship at some point at which time, they would be able to migrate again to the UK with no legal way of restricting their numbers and that this would break public and social services and bankrupt the country.

And you voted to remain anyway?

You knew that migration from within Europe suppresses wages for unskilled British workers, perpetuates youth unemployment and places massive strain on schools and the NHS.

And you voted for it anyway?

You knew that the federalisation of the EU and stripping of national identity and sovereignty would continue unabated.

And you voted for it anyway?

 

Well done.....

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Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel. Barbel. Bleak. Dace.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.

Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.

Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.

Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub.

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I do. Many of my friends live in the EU.

 

I think you've demonstrated again and again that you don't give a crap for anyone but yourself.

Most of my friends live in the EU as currently we are part of it !! Did you really mean the European mainland ??

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Ken L, on 11 Dec 2017 - 09:34, said:

So "remainers" knew they were voting to stay in an EU where Merkel would win the (then) upcoming federal elections in Germany and Macron would win in France, perpetuating the unfettered demographic and economic changes to Europe resulting from the importation of millions of uneducated, culturally incompatible migrants, very few of whom have any intention of working or contributing to our societies.

You knew that these people would be granted citizenship at some point at which time, they would be able to migrate again to the UK with no legal way of restricting their numbers and that this would break public and social services and bankrupt the country.

And you voted to remain anyway?

You knew that migration from within Europe suppresses wages for unskilled British workers, perpetuates youth unemployment and places massive strain on schools and the NHS.

And you voted for it anyway?

You knew that the federalisation of the EU and stripping of national identity and sovereignty would continue unabated.

And you voted for it anyway?

 

Well done.....

 

And they voted to continue with the rubbish e u cfp and cap regulation where the e u now claim control over 100% of u k waters and that their junk cap regulation gives tate and lyle the entitlement of receiving half a billion to produce nothing while within the e u mainland there's massive unemployment. While ignoring the Dublin agreement merk's and co decided to encourage mass migration without any control what so ever.

 

Yup top notch decision to vote against common sence by those who have sight yet fail to see.


Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Remainers voted for a known quantity.. the status quo. Leavers voted for an unknown quantity.

But there is no status quo - as Martin Schulz demonstrated only last week, with his call for EU member states to commit to a “United States of Europe” by 2025 and setting out an ambitious European reform agenda.

 

The social, economic and geopolitical consequences of Merkel's mass migration experiment are unprecedented so there's no status quo there either.

 

Deutsche Bank is a house of cards, mired by toxic debt and there will certainly be no status quo when it collapses, taking the economy of the EU's largest contributor with it.

 

Even the very definition of the EU is constantly subject to change with the forces set in motion by Merkel likely to result in highly Euroskeptic and right wing governments being elected in the upcoming elections in Sweden and Italy - as well as the increasing likelihood that the entire Visegrád Group (The Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia) may break away en-mase.

 

Your stability is illusory.

 

Besides, sticking isn't always the best option:

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Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel. Barbel. Bleak. Dace.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.

Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.

Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.

Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub.

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