E U. Should we stay or should we leave.

[Dales]

i guess it was only really a matter of who would say it first. Once it came out that he may have shouted "Britain First" then some or all of the remain camp would use this as a reason to blast anyone and everyone who may have mentioned and spoke out about immigration recently. Most may have had the decency to wait a while but once campaigning starts again then the Brexit camp will be accused of stirring up hate and inspiring such actions.

 

But I also suspect that if he had been an immigrant then the Brexit camp would also use this tragedy to their advantage.

[Sportsman]

I agree with her with regard to the UKIP poster. Truly disgusting.

[gozzer]

I agree with her with regard to the UKIP poster. Truly disgusting.

 

I suppose it's in the mind, Dave. When I saw the poster for the first time, without looking closely at it, it reminded me of the classic Saatchi and Saatchi posters of the late 70s. Especially the one that said in large letters. 'LABOUR IS'NT WORKING'.

 

This one.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1222326.stm

 

 

Ironically, another stitch up

 

John.

Edited June 17, 2016 by gozzer

[Sportsman]

Sorry John. Objectionable though they may be, the Saatchie posters aren't in the same league. To use a photograph of refugees fleeing a war zone and one that has not a shred of relevance to the EU or the UK is beyond the pale.

 

I can see why they used a big picture though. The sort of people that picture was designed to appeal to probably don't do a lot of reading.

Farage and UKIP are a disgrace to British politics and that takes some doing.

[corydoras]

Whilst reading the link that gozzer posted I stumbled upon this article.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/17/britain-working-class-revolt-eu-referendum

 

I read this comment and had to repost it because it sums up my own feelings better than I could express them myself.

 

Why do we British never want to blame ourselves for the mess our country is in? We have voted for governments who privatise public services, cut funds to the NHS, sell off public housing, don't put any money into infrastructure, do nothing to build the regions. We let the rich get away with paying no taxes or hiding their money off shore in tax havens.
We put up with a class system that is the worst in Europe and we sit back and let these privately educated and spoilt fools patronise us in parliament.
In many cases we don't even bother to vote at all, disenfranchising ourselves even further but then whinging about our sovereignty. We don't participate in our communities, volunteer, join our unions or fight for our rights.
All these characteristics are ours, and ours alone. No one forced them on us from across the channel. Instead of blaming immigrants, or the powers that be in Brussels, why don't we ask ourselves - what have I ever done for my rights? What activism have I played a part in? When did I last protest at the privatisation of the post office, the railways, the sell off of public housing, the endless endowments of rich mates to rich mates. Never? Well, there you go.
A country is only strong if people contribute to its government. Thatcher's class hatred and destruction of the North, Blair's conservatism by stealth, Cameron and Osborne's cabal of rich mates.
We have the government we deserve - the home grown one - and we are all being played for fools by concentrating on Brussels while our own politicians sack and burn our own country. Its so much easier to blame 'others' from 'elsewhere' for all our problems.

Edited June 17, 2016 by corydoras

[Ken L]

They serve a fixed five year term Ken, you should know that.

So presidents can bee impeached, prime ministers can be deselected but these bozos can't be removed from office.

Not good is it?

[gozzer]

Sorry John. Objectionable though they may be, the Saatchie posters aren't in the same league. To use a photograph of refugees fleeing a war zone and one that has not a shred of relevance to the EU or the UK is beyond the pale.

 

I can see why they used a big picture though. The sort of people that picture was designed to appeal to probably don't do a lot of reading.

Farage and UKIP are a disgrace to British politics and that takes some doing.

 

As I said Dave, 'when I first saw it, without looking closely', that's what it reminded me of.

 

We disagree on just how low those Tory posters were. To assemble as many of the tory faithful as they could, and then doctor the picture, to appeal to the values of the self-righteous middle class, and play on the fears of those naïve enough to believe Thatchers lot. Well that had more relevance to me, and many of the people I knew at the time, than those people in Farages poster.

I'm not saying it was right to use the photo of the refugees, but the intent, and deception, behind both posters are very much on a par with each other.

 

John.

[Sportsman]

If something is wrong then just because something else is wrong doesn't make the initial wrong thing any less wrong.

[corydoras]

So presidents can bee impeached, prime ministers can be deselected but these bozos can't be removed from office.

Not good is it?

These bozos are proposed by elected EU parliaments and are then elected by the bozos we elect as MEPs. Tell me Ken , once we have voted for a PM how would we get rid of him before his term is up? As far as I am aware there are many countries where the President is immune from prosecution when he is in office, but can be prosecuted the moment his term is up. Jacques Chirac for example. EU Commissioners don't make laws, they propose them. The European Parliament who are elected by we the people make the laws. If you don't like what comes out of Europe why don't you go along to your MEP's surgery and talk to her rather than whinge about it on an internet forum?

[barry luxton]

Cameron can be got rid of by a vote of no confidence by his fellow m p's he ain't out of the woods yet, another month and he may well be history.